Gotta direct you to Furious Seasons again

An excellent post inspired by Richard Friedman’s piece in the New York Times today. Philip keep ’em coming. Taking a broad look at the long term effects of our drug culture is extremely important.

Friedman’s piece is still completely within the mainstream. Philip pushes further:

I wouldn’t consider the risk of suicide and suicidality, on or off-meds, to be the only worrying metric for doctors and patients to consider, or by which to evaluate long-term risks and benefits. What about brain development? Sexuality? Reproductive organ damage? Drug dependence? Long-term akathesia? Kidney and liver damage? Diabetes? Muscle rigidity? We already know that antipsychotics cause brain shrinkage in non human primate studies, so we do need to take a serious look at that in our human populations or we are doing them a gross disservice. It’d make sense to be just as concerned about anti-depressants and the whole shooting gallery of psych meds, especially since we are starting children on them at much younger ages than we even did in the 1990s.

Do go and read the whole piece.

That post is no longer on the net so I’m reposting it below:

April 15, 2008

The Long Hello: Coming Of Age In Prozac Nation

By Philip Dawdy

Richard Friedman, a Cornell psychiatrist, opines in the New York Times about patients who’ve been on anti-depressants since their teens and what they bump into once they climb into adulthood–all kinds of identity questions since they have little psychological development absent a diagnosis and medications–and how medicine hasn’t really tackled some of the key questions around long-term anti-depressant use.

Anyway, one of his patients pressed the subject into Friedman’s forebrain:

“It was not an issue I had seriously considered before. Most of my patients, who are adults, developed their psychiatric problems after they had a pretty clear idea of who they were as individuals. During treatment, most of them could tell me whether they were back to their normal baseline.”Julie could certainly remember what depression felt like, but she could not recall feeling well except during her long treatment with antidepressant medications. And since she had not grown up before getting depressed, she could not gauge the hypothetical effects of antidepressants on her emotional and psychological development.”

I was fairly rough on Friedman over an earlier opinion piece a few months ago, but I am going to be more charitable this time out. He’s asking the right questions, regardless of how I feel about his answers. I hope that readers won’t be interested in nitpicking him to death, but will instead focus on the larger issues.

We’re 20 years into the psychopharmacological party in America, and Gen X and Gen Y are the ones growing up with voodoo in their veins and brains. Regardless of your views of diagnoses and meds, we need to have a big old sociocultural reckoning on these matters. What are we setting people up for in terms of their human development and their core identities if they’ve spent most of their lives on anti-depressants (or mood stabilizers or antipsychotics)? What’s normal human development in abnormal psychology? What’s their sex life going to be like if they’ve hardly ever been horny due to taking anti-depressants? How do you “know thyself” when your self has been partially shaped by the fine folks at Eli Lilly and GlaxoSmithKline? And so on.

Friedman admits he doesn’t have the answers–no one does at this point–and he’s a whole lot sunnier about the long-term use of psych meds than I’d ever be:

“We know a lot about the course of untreated depression, probably more than we do about very long-term antidepressant use in this population. We know, for example, that depression in young people is a very serious problem; suicide is the third-leading cause of death in adolescents, not to mention the untold suffering and impaired functioning this disease exacts.”By contrast, the risk of antidepressant treatment is small. A 2004 review by the Food and Drug Administration, analyzing clinical trials of the drugs, did show an elevated risk of suicidal thinking and nonlethal suicide attempts in young people taking antidepressants — 3.5 percent, compared with 1.7 percent of those taking a placebo. But since the lifetime risk of actual suicide in depressed people ranges from 2.2 to 12 percent, risk from treatment is dwarfed by the risks of the disease itself.”

I wouldn’t consider the risk of suicide and suicidality, on or off-meds, to be the only worrying metric for doctors and patients to consider, or by which to evaluate long-term risks and benefits. What about brain development? Sexuality? Reproductive organ damage? Drug dependence? Long-term akathesia? Kidney and liver damage? Diabetes? Muscle rigidity? We already know that antipsychotics cause brain shrinkage in non human primate studies, so we do need to take a serious look at that in our human populations or we are doing them a gross disservice. It’d make sense to be just as concerned about anti-depressants and the whole shooting gallery of psych meds, especially since we are starting children on them at much younger ages than we even did in the 1990s.

Friedman blames the lack of answers on how psych meds are tested and approved and used in our culture–short term scientific trials for approval and barely-tested long-term use in a culture that demands that these medications be used for life. I don’t think it’s just the culture of FDA approval that’s at fault. I think doctors have been lazy about asking these questions and I think patients are just as much to blame. Too often doctors and patients accept short-term clinical success for long-term prospects.

We need to face facts: We’ve been conducting the largest behavioral and medical experiment in human history right here on Spaceship America (and Spaceship Britain) over the last 20 years, and few have bothered to ask the questions that needed asking. I give Friedman props for opening his mouth.

One place where I’d criticize Friedman’s piece, however:

“What do I say to a depressed patient who is doing well after five years on such a drug but can’t stop without a depressive relapse and who wants reassurance that the drug has no long-term adverse effects?”

He doesn’t even nod his head to the possibility that the depressive relapse might have little to do with depression and quite possibly everything to do with the medication. I know of too many cases of people who’ve been on Prozac since its introduction in 1987 (there is data showing that over 500,000 Americans have been on anti-depressants for over 15 years, but I cannot locate it at the moment) and cannot get off the drug because they’ve developed a physical need for its “chemical balance” and simply lose all their energy and human oomph when they try going off it. This is a known phenomenon and if doctors cannot appreciate its dynamics and its pressing cultural importance, then us patients are going to have to shove it in their faces. (For further reading: the wonderful Bipolar Blast blog is an ongoing account of one brave woman’s attempt to get off all medications after being on them for longer than I was. And that’s a long time.)

My own thinking on these issues is far from complete, just like my own off-meds experiment (a doctor approved experiment I’ll add for newbies) which is now at almost nine months. I’m in no position to state whether I think what I am learning is of any use to anyone else. But I do think it’s a legitimate idea that for anyone who the medical paradigm of mental health argues should be on psych meds for years and years then there should be some kind of off-meds trial built into our treatment algorithms and practice guidelines and doctors should be encouraged to help patients find out what makes them tick underneath the medicated self.

The one thing I’ve learned in my nine-month adventure is that I have a level of freedom now that I cannot put into words. But whatever you’d call it, it’s certainly built on the freedom to succeed and fail as a human being and as a human self.

I kind of like that.

Posted by Philip Dawdy at April 15, 2008 12:07 AM

10 thoughts on “Gotta direct you to Furious Seasons again

  1. To Roman–
    I’ve been off most of my bipolar meds for nearly three years now, and I still don’t feel like I’m performing at the level I was before meds. Things have slowly improved over the last three years, but not as fast as I’d like. My last step is removing trazodone, and hopefully after that I’ll be back to what I consider normal. Hopefully.

  2. Thanks for the great post and the attention to this important issue. Paxil was my gateway into 10 years of psychiatric drug hell. Drug side affects and withdrawal affects, misinterpreted as a worsening of my condition led to a diagnosis of bipolar 2 and to prescriptions for Zyprexa and Effexor, later to Seroquel and Lamictal.

    When you have no idea that what you are experiencing could be from the drug, any aware person would easily conclude, as I did, that they did indeed suffer from a mental illness. When sedating drugs like Seroquel cause agitation in withdrawal and longer, its easy to conclude that the drugs helped when they really were hurting.

    Two years free of atypical antipsychotics, mood stabilizers, and SSRIs, I still wake up at 3am feeling like my whole body is vibrating and so only sleep about 4 hours a night. My ability to learn new information is pathetic, like Roman described above.

    Reading blogs of others experiences with these medications has confirmed what I was concluding on my own.

    Thanks to all who post! Info from the internet saved my life, while those assigned to help me were slowly poisoning me.

  3. good article! while these articles are alarming/upsetting…it’s great to see the information being put out there!

    yes, i wish i had known the path i was wandering down when i blindly put faith in my doctors and was so obedient. even with years of experience being a patient and even working on my masters in counseling which included psychopharmacology! i read a lot about drugs, costs, side effects…but how in world did i REALLY overlook the big picture! wow! ouch!

    reading everyone’s blogs over the last couple of months and embarking on this journey of getting off the meds has been a wild experience. horrifying and wonderful.

    i count myself and others on here to be blessed by somehow finding their way to getting off meds…but this is a pioneering effort by all…it’s in the doing and sharing the research. we may have hit this horrible bump in the road in our recovery: discovering what meds were actually doing to us. but we now have a great opportunity to help others and grow consciousness about the issues with big pharma and our personal stories…before and after!

    as for mental acuity…silly me, i had bought a nintendo to play their brain games…there is good research out there about exercising our brains as we would our bodies! crossword puzzles, reading out loud, playing games, simple interaction with others, and so much more. it’s not just side effects from drugs that shrink our brains and dull us…simple atrophy from lack of use is common in people taking prescription drugs, with depression, mental health issues…situations that isolate us and interfere with our daily mental functions….something else good to throw into the daily routine. exercise your brain!

  4. I like Pharmalot too.

    I would never have taken these drugs if I knew of the other side effects. The whole person is important.

  5. Pharmalot is quite surprising to me – it seems to be read by many in the industry – Registered Pharmacists, Pharmaceutical Reps, and others.

    For Ed to have this readership, and to be bold enough to post articles on the negatives of pharmaceuticals is really something…..

    Some of the posts are more industry-specific – ie, related to business, growth, stock performance, etc – but, he seems to leave plenty of room for other topics – psychiatric meds, and problems related to them….

    There must certainly be some soul-searching by those in the industry who read some of what he posts.

    I’m quite impressed with his site,
    Duane

  6. Pharmalot tends to be critical of pharma…it’s a good blog…

    I thought I had some of the pharma blogs on my blogroll, but I don’t…

    Perhaps I’ll make a new category of blogs…

  7. Gianna,

    Ed Silverman with Pharmalot ran this same piece on is blog today. Actually, I’m amazed that a blog devoted to pharmacology and the industry is bold enough to run many of the pieces he runs.

    I would highly recommend his site, along with Furious Seasons to anyone who wants to stay on top of some of the information that is beginning to surface on this subject.

    I don’t think Big Pharma is going to be able to keep a lid on this for much longer – as I have posted many times, a myth cannot live forever.

    I contacted the US Attorney General’s office again today – It really is time for indictments and criminal trials…..

    Duane

  8. people who have successfully withdrawn from drugs tell me that cognitive functioning returns slowly over time. in general people feel they don’t regain all that they lost…

    It’s a healing process…are you taking care of your body? Eating whole foods, exercising, meditating etc? All that can help.

    Also…are you withdrawing too quickly? It seems like maybe you are but I don’t remember your history well enough offhand.

    In any case, I understand how it feels to lose significant cognitive functioning…I’ve probably lost a good 15 or 20 IQ points….it’s frustrating and I’m at a place where I’m just hoping for the best…I don’t know what will ultimately be.

  9. Ya know, since I have stopped taking Seroquel and Effexor, and I am currently dropping off from Lamictal, I’m becoming “normal” again. And yes my anxiety has gotten stronger. Suicidal depression has been an issue, BUT I have noticed that my brain function has lost its alertness. My mathematical capabilities are shot. I feel like these meds have done serious damage to my brain. I’m not as sharp as I used to be, and quite literally sometimes feel virtually retarded. I find myself embarrassed about my own stupidity, at work. And I feel like people think that I am completely stupid. I know that I’m not, but I realize that things that I used to know intellectually, have been wiped from my memory. It is a struggle. Over the past couple of days I have begun taking Gingko Biloba, but I haven’t noticed much of a change yet. If anyone has any suggestions about mental alertness and acuity, I’m all ears.

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