Talk To Me: Loving Your Evil Side

A Red Book Dialogue from Talk To Me from January 2010. It’s a fascinating and important and necessarily damning talk. I took a Rumi course as well as the Christ Path course from Andrew Harvey in the last couple of years. His life is drenched in the numinous and he’s quite a delightful teacher I was honored to learn with. I’m reposting the below interview.

From The Red Book
From The Red Book

Andrew Harvey, scholar and author of many books on spirituality, joined Jungian analyst Nathan Schwartz-Salant on the Rubin Museum stage this past month as a part of “The Red Book Dialogue” series.

During the dialogue, inspired by The Red Book image shown here, Harvey commented on an inborn hatred of our physical selves, saying that humans are in “a boat of meat that is now exploding,” and the struggle we all go through in acknowledging and loving the evil that’s within all of us.

Listen here:

More related on Beyond Meds:

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Through love vinegar becomes rich wine

A bit of Rumi to wake up to this morning:

rumiThrough love bitter things seem sweet.
Through love scraps of copper are turned to gold.
Through love dregs taste like clear wine.
Through love agonies are healing balms.
Through love thorns become roses.
Through love vinegar becomes rich wine.
Through love the scaffold becomes a throne.
Through love disaster becomes good fortune.
Through love a prison becomes a rose garden.
Through love burning fire is a fragrant light.
Through love the devil becomes an angel.
Through love stones become soft as butter.
Through love grief is like delight.
Through love demons become servants of God.
Through love stings are like honey.
Through love lions are harmless as mice.
Through love sickness is health.
Through love the dead are resurrected.
Through love the emperor becomes a slave.

– Jalal-ud-Din Rumi

translated by Andrew Harvey

More posts with Andrew Harvey’s inspiration 

Many paths (as many as there are beings)

Rumi-TeachingsThere are a myriad different ways to search, but the object of the search is always the same. Don’t you see that the roads to Mecca are all different? One comes from Byzantium, another from Syria, still others wind through land or across the sea. The roads are different; the goal is one. – Jalal-ud-Din Rumi

(Translated by Andrew Harvey from A Year of Rumi)
Teachings of Rumi

I often talk about how what works for me may not be appropriate for anyone else when I talk about healing. Well this extends out to our entire lives as well as our spiritual pursuits. I’ve also written about how important it is to respect where people fall on the spectrum of psychiatric drug use.  SEE: To my friends and readers who still take psych drugs (and to the whole spectrum of folks on and off meds too)

On that note I’m sharing this lovely video I’ve shared before with Tami Simon.

I LOVE this. We are all incredibly and importantly unique. “We need each other to be different!” says Tami. What a lovely and important thought and realization. “All of us are needed in this cosmic universal body.” 

“We have to trust OUR one and only awakening. Unprecedented. Cannot be repeated.” She continues... Again, YES!

This is the fundamental reason that coercion in psychiatry is wrong too. People all have their own way to find. And we know this deep within ourselves. This is why our idiosyncratic experience is only that. To generalize it to others is arrogant and misguided. Just as the psychiatrist didn’t know what was right for many of the readers of this blog, we too do not know what is right for anyone other than ourselves.

We have Internal Guidance…learn to find yours and encourage it in others. Then we’ll all be healers.

Talk To Me: Loving Your Evil Side

A Red Book Dialogue from Talk To Me from January 2010. It’s a fascinating and important and necessarily damning talk. I’ve been taking a Rumi course as well as the Christ Path course from Andrew Harvey. His life is drenched in the numinous and he’s quite a delightful teacher I’m honored to be learning from.

From The Red Book
From The Red Book

Andrew Harvey, scholar and author of many books on spirituality, joined Jungian analyst Nathan Schwartz-Salant on the Rubin Museum stage this past month as a part of “The Red Book Dialogue” series.

During the dialogue, inspired by The Red Book image shown here, Harvey commented on an inborn hatred of our physical selves, saying that humans are in “a boat of meat that is now exploding,” and the struggle we all go through in acknowledging and loving the evil that’s within all of us.

Listen here:

More on Jung and The Red Book on Beyond Meds:

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Passion! …that piece of you in alignment with your place in the universe

rumiPassion burns down every branch of exhaustion.
Passion is the supreme alchemical elixir, and renews all things.
No-one can grow exhausted when passion is born,
so don’t sigh heavily, your brows bleak with boredom and cynicism and despair—
look for passion! passion! passion! passion!

Futile solutions deceive the force of passion.
They are banded to extort money through lies.
Marshy and stagnant water is no cure for thirst.
No matter how limpid and delicious it might look,
it will only stop and prevent you from looking for fresh rivers
that could feed and make flourish a hundred gardens,
just as each piece of false gold prevents you
from recognizing real gold and where to find it.

False gold will only cut your feet and bind your wings,
saying “I will remove your difficulties”
when in fact it is only dregs and defeat in the robes of victory.
So run, my friends, run fast and furious from all false solutions.
Let divine passion triumph, and rebirth you in yourself.  – Rumi  (translation, Andrew Harvey)

Andrew’s interpretation is that if you find your passion…that piece of you in alignment with your place in the universe you will never be exhausted and it’s impossible to be bored. How lovely and how true.

Book by Andrew Harvey, Rumi scholar: The Way of Passion: A Celebration of Rumi

More Rumi on Beyond Meds

A poetic activation of the sacred heart: free teleseminar with gifted Rumi scholar

Free class on Rumi. Andrew Harvey is a delightful teacher I highly recommend. I will definitely be on the call when it’s happening.

rumi

In this special call event, one of the world’s most respected and passionate Rumi scholars reveals the sacred significance of Rumi’s life and work, illuminating why his poems are penetrating the heart of the world as never before….

…Although based in rigorous scholarship, this evening event will ultimately be a poetic activation of the sacred heart that illuminates your own spiritual transformation by showing what we all can learn from the words of a great seer and lover of life from eight centuries ago…

…Even if you are not able to attend live, do register so you can get access to the recording. And help us spread the word to Rumi lovers everywhere about this special online event. (READ MORE AND REGISTER HERE)

As a little treat I’ll share my favorite Rumi poem here. I’ve shared it several times on Beyond Meds already:

The Guest House
This being human is a guest house.
Every morning a new arrival.
A joy, a depression, a meanness,
some momentary awareness comes
as an unexpected visitor.
Welcome and entertain them all!
Even if they’re a crowd of sorrows,
who violently sweep your house
empty of its furniture,
still, treat each guest honorably.
He may be clearing you out
for some new delight.
The dark thought, the shame, the malice,
meet them at the door laughing,
and invite them in.
Be grateful for whoever comes,
because each has been sent
as a guide from beyond.
~ Rumi ~

Christ path…nothing to do with religion

In keeping with what I posted by Joseph Campbell the other day, All the gods, all the heavens, all the worlds, are within us, the below description of the Christ path speaks to me. I took a wonderfully profound course by Andrew Harvey a while back and share the below as he offers another seminar this weekend:

andrewharvey-w-bedegriffithsTeachings of the Cosmic Christ

…this is not an easy path. It is not a path for marzipan mystics who want to manifest Mercedes and McMansions. It’s not a path for those who want some kind of transcendent Tahiti that they can go and bask in to bronze themselves in divine light while the rest of the world burns in suffering. It is the most fierce path, because it is a path that does not shirk the necessity of getting into total connection with both of the opposites, the extremest beauty and the extremest horror, and to know them both as sacred, and to know the ecstasy as sacred as the horror, the chaos as sacred as the order, to embrace them all and to embrace all the sufferings and ordeals that are absolutely necessary, and all of the crucifixions, of all of the subtle hiding places of our demonic and destructive shadows, all of them, to embrace them fearlessly because that is the only condition through which the divine can be installed in power in the whole being…

…No bypassing, no addiction to transcendence, no drugging yourself on mystical experience so that you don’t hear the screams of the children and the yowls of the lions that are being slaughtered. No magical thinking, because this great birth isn’t going to happen while we sit on our futons doing nothing. It’s going to happen because we engage with enormous intensity of truth with an evolutionary path that is going to burn us down before it re-creates us. (read more)

More on Beyond Meds: Christian contemplative prayer/meditation

Books by Andrew Harvey:

The Christ Path

son-of-man-the-mystical-path-to-christI just shared this with a couple of friends and then thought I should share it with readers too:

I just started this course. The Christ Path  with Andrew Harvey– there is an intro talk from a couple of weeks ago available to listen to here. I was in on that call and immediately wanted to take the course.

If it resonates it’s worth checking it out. I majored in Religion and Christianity at UC Berkeley so this stuff is highly archetypically appropriate for me…but all sorts seem to be drawn to it.

I’m finding it very helpful to understand my experience.

Another thing I like about it is the emphasis of bringing together the activist and the mystic both in union.

By Andrew Harvey: Son of Man: The Mystical Path to Christ

 

More: Christian contemplative prayer/meditation

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